хочется, чтоб побольше народу прочитало
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hgr(на русском см. ссылку под лже-катом)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fr. Andrew Sidnev" <rcgoc@mail.ru>
To: <orthodox-tradition@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 1:34 PM
Subject: [paradosis] On Provocative Activity of the
Lurie-Vertograd Group
> On Provocative Activity of the Lurie-Vertograd Group
>
> We address the TOC of Greece and Russia in
order to warn them against
> provocative activity of the Russian antichurch group
Lurie-Vertograd.
>
> That group belongs to the jurisdiction of
"Metropolitan" Valentine of
> Suzdal, who was officially, by the State Court,
charged with homosexuality.
>
> Lately the group Lurie-Vertograd has intensively
been looking for the
> opportunity to propagate not only in Russia,
but in Greece as well,
> different heretical teachings, in order to cause new
schisms within the TOC
> of Greece. Earlier that group was known for
its connections with the
> Russian mafia. For that reason the ROCOR declined
to have anything to do
> with them. Nevertheless, Valentine of
Suzdal, notorious for his
> unscrupulousness, accepted that group into his
schismatic jurisdiction. It
> has also been a well-known fact that this group
has been financed and
> supported by Russian special services, and they
themselves do not hide
> their ties with the notorious Mr. Pavlovsky, who
partly finances different
> editions of the group.
>
> After the group Lurie-Vertograd had joined the
ROAC, there occurred a
> schism because of the propaganda of the heresy of
imyaslavie (name-worshipping ), led by the
> group.Valentine of Suzdal supported them and it
resulted in church
> publicists Vladimir Moss and Anton Ter-Grigoryan,
as well as many others,
> leaving the ROAC.
>
> The members of the group within their circle
in every possible way
> discredit and ridicule the TOC Church o f Russia and
Greece. For instance,
> they write that:
>
> - It is good that Greek old calendarist (TOC)
exist in Russia. That means that
> now they have where to pour out the sewage of their
(ROAC) church.
> - The Greek old calendarist movement is fully
compromised and it can be
> saved only if "somebody" (ecumenists) takes them in
tow.
> - About catacomb christians of Russia they write that
they are savage fanatics etc.
>
> Nevertheless, externally the group Lurie-Vertograd
give themselves to be
> benefactors and unificators of the divided TOC of
Greece and Russia. There
> is no doubt that they are backed by dark
forces of ecumenism and
> freemasonry, which aspire to take the TOC
under their control and to
> destroy Orthodoxy.
>
> Today the head of the group (hieromonk Gregory
Lurie) declares that he
> looks for the possibility to propagate the heresy of
imyaslavie (name-worshipping ) within the
> Greek TOCs in order to create a schism within them.
>
> The editorial board of the journal "Holy Russia"
> http://holyrussia.narod.ru/
это наши российские доморощенные матфеевцы. почти совершенно никчемная группа, т.к. даже канализировать в нее почти никого нельзя -- в силу ее особенной упертости и сектантского менталитета. на реальную политику матфеевских синодов (Греции и Кипра) не имеет влияния никакого, но для общего шума в информационном пространстве использоваться может.
УПДАТЕ ура! теперь и на русском: http://www.livejournal.com/users/iasidnev/1969.html?mode=reply
-- читать и наслаждаться.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fr. Andrew Sidnev" <rcgoc@mail.ru>
To: <orthodox-tradition@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 1:34 PM
Subject: [paradosis] On Provocative Activity of the
Lurie-Vertograd Group
> On Provocative Activity of the Lurie-Vertograd Group
>
> We address the TOC of Greece and Russia in
order to warn them against
> provocative activity of the Russian antichurch group
Lurie-Vertograd.
>
> That group belongs to the jurisdiction of
"Metropolitan" Valentine of
> Suzdal, who was officially, by the State Court,
charged with homosexuality.
>
> Lately the group Lurie-Vertograd has intensively
been looking for the
> opportunity to propagate not only in Russia,
but in Greece as well,
> different heretical teachings, in order to cause new
schisms within the TOC
> of Greece. Earlier that group was known for
its connections with the
> Russian mafia. For that reason the ROCOR declined
to have anything to do
> with them. Nevertheless, Valentine of
Suzdal, notorious for his
> unscrupulousness, accepted that group into his
schismatic jurisdiction. It
> has also been a well-known fact that this group
has been financed and
> supported by Russian special services, and they
themselves do not hide
> their ties with the notorious Mr. Pavlovsky, who
partly finances different
> editions of the group.
>
> After the group Lurie-Vertograd had joined the
ROAC, there occurred a
> schism because of the propaganda of the heresy of
imyaslavie (name-worshipping ), led by the
> group.Valentine of Suzdal supported them and it
resulted in church
> publicists Vladimir Moss and Anton Ter-Grigoryan,
as well as many others,
> leaving the ROAC.
>
> The members of the group within their circle
in every possible way
> discredit and ridicule the TOC Church o f Russia and
Greece. For instance,
> they write that:
>
> - It is good that Greek old calendarist (TOC)
exist in Russia. That means that
> now they have where to pour out the sewage of their
(ROAC) church.
> - The Greek old calendarist movement is fully
compromised and it can be
> saved only if "somebody" (ecumenists) takes them in
tow.
> - About catacomb christians of Russia they write that
they are savage fanatics etc.
>
> Nevertheless, externally the group Lurie-Vertograd
give themselves to be
> benefactors and unificators of the divided TOC of
Greece and Russia. There
> is no doubt that they are backed by dark
forces of ecumenism and
> freemasonry, which aspire to take the TOC
under their control and to
> destroy Orthodoxy.
>
> Today the head of the group (hieromonk Gregory
Lurie) declares that he
> looks for the possibility to propagate the heresy of
imyaslavie (name-worshipping ) within the
> Greek TOCs in order to create a schism within them.
>
> The editorial board of the journal "Holy Russia"
> http://holyrussia.narod.ru/
это наши российские доморощенные матфеевцы. почти совершенно никчемная группа, т.к. даже канализировать в нее почти никого нельзя -- в силу ее особенной упертости и сектантского менталитета. на реальную политику матфеевских синодов (Греции и Кипра) не имеет влияния никакого, но для общего шума в информационном пространстве использоваться может.
УПДАТЕ ура! теперь и на русском: http://www.livejournal.com/users/iasidnev/1969.html?mode=reply
-- читать и наслаждаться.
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Date: 2003-10-16 06:24 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-10-16 06:32 am (UTC)да и вообще обо всем об этом есть богатая литература, особенно на сайте моего фэн-клуба http://www.romanitas.ru/actual.
все мои менады (редкая из них не в священном сане) -- бородаты, представительны и многие наличествуют в ЖЖ. в таком окружении поневоле чувствуешь себя то ли Дионисом, то ли прямо сразу уж Аполлоном.
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Date: 2003-10-16 06:40 am (UTC)Что Вы! Стихов я, конечно же, читала, просто из головы вылетело, да. Стыдно даже.
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Date: 2003-10-16 06:46 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-10-16 06:55 am (UTC)Рекламировать, так рекламировать!:-)
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Date: 2003-10-16 10:44 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-10-16 08:12 am (UTC)А больше всего мне понравилась фраза о том, что за Вам стоят жидомасоны и экуменисты. Насчет первых не в курсе, а с экуменизмом Вы так круто обходитесь... :-)
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Date: 2003-10-16 06:33 am (UTC)Сейчас вся свора кинется с ним дружиться. А так
дрстроичил себе в журнал, никто и знать его не знал.no subject
Date: 2003-10-16 06:37 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-10-16 06:44 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-10-16 06:47 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-10-16 06:52 am (UTC)я как врач - не поручилась бы.
слишком много нездоровых страстей.
да Вы и сами правильно им диагноз поставили.
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Date: 2003-10-16 10:52 am (UTC)конечно, грань тонкая. если, например, знать, что у человека испортился характер по причине опухоли мозга, то будет не такое к нему отношение, как если не знать...
в любом случае, было бы непродуктивно расширять медицинское понятие болезни так, чтобы включать в него все болезни души -- т.е. греховные страсти.
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Date: 2003-10-16 10:56 am (UTC)истерика лечится резкой пощечиной -- результат всегда потрясающий.
а свои греховные страсти пусть они сами лечат.
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Date: 2003-10-16 07:00 am (UTC)Ведь такие инциденты действительно вредны. Я вот недавно посоветовал человеку в церковь сходить, а он в ответ привёл несколько подобных историй. То есть люди не идут в церковь из-за таких политических драк, так не лучше ли их избегать и не афишировать?
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Date: 2003-10-16 07:05 am (UTC)Вы можете себе представить последствия? - я могу, так как работаю тут с такими последствиями после одного берлинского попа.
лучше знать, с чем имеешь дело. и ходить в храм не к людям, но учитывать их отклонения и общаться с предосторожностями, если нет возможности попасть в другой храм.
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Date: 2003-10-16 07:16 am (UTC)no subject
:)
Date: 2003-10-16 12:01 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-10-16 02:19 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-10-16 02:25 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-10-16 02:28 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-10-16 02:31 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-10-16 02:33 pm (UTC)да, забыла
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Date: 2003-10-16 02:37 pm (UTC)о.А.С.
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Date: 2003-10-16 02:45 pm (UTC)хочется, чтобы у Вас поскорее уже появились френды.
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Date: 2003-10-16 02:54 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-10-16 02:56 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-10-16 03:01 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-10-16 03:33 pm (UTC)пациент демонстрирует эмоцию?
птицы грязными не бывают - это привелегия людей.
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Date: 2003-10-16 06:14 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-10-16 11:54 pm (UTC)вот я надеюсь, что спецслужбы почитают такие тексты, да и дадут мне хотя бы тыщенку-другую на самоубийц... вот было бы славно...
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Date: 2003-10-18 02:22 pm (UTC)