Ëîòìàí è Åãîðîâ (êîòîðûé ÁîðÔåä)
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hgrÍàêîíåö äîðâàëñÿ äî êíèæêè Áîðèñà Ôåäîðîâè÷à (êîòîðûé Åãîðîâ) "Ñòðóêòóðàëèçì. Ðóññêàÿ ïîýçèÿ. Âîñïîìèíàíèÿ" (Òîìñê: "Âîäîëåé", 2001) -- òî÷íåå, èìåííî äî ðàçäåëà "Âîñïîìèíàíèÿ". Ó ìåíÿ óæå ñðàçó âîñïîìèíàíèå, êîãäà ÿ äóìàþ, ïî÷åìó êíèãà èçäàíà èìåííî â Òîìñêå. Òóò âåäü öåëàÿ èñòîðèÿ: ó ÁÔ áûë â Òîìñêå (è åñòü, òîëüêî íå çíàþ, ãäå æèâåò ñåé÷àñ) òàêîé êâàçè-ó÷åíèê-ñàìîðîäîê Íèê. Âàëåíò. Ñåðåáðåííèêîâ. Íà íåñê. ëåò ñòàðøå ìåíÿ. Åãî âûïåðëè èç Òîìñêîãî óíèâåðñèòåòà "çà íåñòàíäàðòíûé îáðàç ìûñëåé" (êàê ìíå êîãäà-òî ïðåäñòàâèë åãî ÁÔ, ïîñëå ÷åãî ìû âñòóïèëè ñ Í â ìíîãîëåòíþþ ïåðåïèñêó è ñîòðóäíè÷åñòâî).  ñîâåòñêîå âðåìÿ ÷åëîâåê (ò.å. ÍÂ) ñàì çàíèìàëñÿ ñëàâÿíîôèëàìè, Áóõàðåâûì è âñÿêèìè ìàëîèçâåñòíûìè, íî âàæíûìè èõ ñîâðåìåííèêàìè è íàêîïàë êó÷ó âñåãî (îí äàæå ðàçðåøèë çàãàäêó íàçâàíèÿ õîìÿêîâñêèõ çàïèñîê ïî âñåìèðíîé èñòîðèè -- äîøåäøèõ â ðóêîïèñè ïîä ñòðàííîé àááðåâèàòóðîé "è.è.è.è."). Í ñòàë îäíèì èç ãëàâíûõ ìîòîðîâ 2-òîìíèêà Õîìÿêîâà, êîòîðûé ìû ñäåëàëè ïîä íà÷àëîì ó Êîøåëåâà, à ïîòîì åùå è èçäàë "Õîìÿêîâñêèé ñáîðíèê". Ýòîò ñàìûé Í áûë îäíèì èç àêòèâíûõ ïîìîùíèêîâ "Âîäîëåÿ"; ÿñíî, ÷òî îí è Åãîðîâà òóäà îòïðàâèë. À "Âîäîëåé" -- ýòî òî èçäàòåëüñòâî, êîòîðîå íàïå÷àòàëî ïåðåïèñêó Ôëîðåíñêîãî ñ Íîâîñåëîâûì è î. Àíòîíèåì Áóëàòîâè÷åì... Âî êàê âñå ïåðåïëåòåíî. ×òîáû óæ ïîêîí÷èòü ñ "ïåðåïëåòåíèÿìè", ñêàæó, ÷òî êíèæêó êóïèë â Ìîñêîâñêèõ "Ïèðîãàõ", ãäå-òî áëèæå ê 4 óòðà, âî âðåìÿ ïåðèïàòåòè÷åñêîé áåñåäû ñ íåêèèìè ÷ëåíàìè LJ-community, êîòîðûå ìíå ñêàçàëè î áîëüøîé ëþáâè îíîãî community ê îíûì "Ïèðîãàì"... Óô! Òåïåðü ê äåëó. À äåëî âîò â ÷åì: Åãîðîâ ïèøåò, ÷òî âñå (è, î÷åâèäíî, îí ñàì), ãëÿäÿ íà åãî ìíîãîëåòíþþ è àáñîëþòíî áåçîáëà÷íóþ äðóæáó ñ Ëîòìàíîì, ñðàâíèâàëè èõ ñ Ìîöàðòîì è Ñàëüåðè (íó, à ïîòîì óäèâëÿëèñü, ïî÷åìó èç Åãîðîâà òàêîé ïëîõîé Ñàëüåðè). ß òîæå óäèâëÿþñü, íî ñîâåðøåííî îáðàòíîìó. Åãîðîâ ìíå âñåãäà êàçàëñÿ èäåàëîì ó÷åíîãî: çíàåò è ëþáèò âñå, îò òåêñòîëîãèè äî òåîðåòè÷åñêèõ âîççðåíèé ñâîèõ "îáúåêòîâ", è î âñåì ñðàçó ïèøåò ëåãêî, ñâîáîäíî è òàê óìíî, ÷òî ïîñëå íåãî óæå è ñêàçàòü êàê áóäòî íå÷åãî... À Ëîòìàí? Èíòåðåñíûé ñïåöèàëèñò ïî 18 è íà÷àëó 19 â., êîòîðûé íå óñïåë ðåàëèçîâàòüñÿ èç-çà çàõâàòèâøèõ åãî èäåé... Èäåé, êîíå÷íî, î÷åíü âàæíûõ -- íî äëÿ ñîçäàíèÿ îáùåñòâåííîãî è ïåäàãîãè÷åñêîãî (?) êëèìàòà, à íå ñòîëüêî ñîáñòâåííî äëÿ íàóêè. Äàæå â þíîñòè ÿ íå ìîã óâëå÷üñÿ (íåñìîòðÿ íà ïîïûòêè) ëîòìàíîâñêèì ñòðóêòóðàëèçìîì, ò.ê. äëÿ ôèëîñîôèè è ìèðîâîççðåíèÿ îí áûë ñëèøêîì ïðåñåí, à äëÿ íàóêè -- ñëèøêîì ìàëîòåõíè÷åí ("ôîðìóë" íå õâàòàëî). Ñåé÷àñ ÷èòàþ ñ óäîâîëüñòâèåì Âàäèìà Ðóäíåâà, ëîòìàíîâñêîãî ó÷åíèêà. Íî ìîå óäîâîëüñòâèå -- ïîòîìó, ÷òî ó Ðóäíåâà êó÷à ðàçíûõ ëîãè÷åñêèõ ôîðìàëüíîñòåé è ïðî÷åãî ïî÷òè åñòåñòâåííîíàó÷íîãî çâîíà, êîòîðîãî ó Ëîòìàíà-òî íå áûëî è â ïîìèíå. Ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, ÷òî ðîëü Ëîòìàíà â íàóêå -- áîëüøå êàê êàòàëèçàòîðà ïðîöåññà, à íå êàê ó÷åíîãî. Íî êàòàëèçàòîðàìè âûñòóïàþò è òå, êòî äåíåã äàñò, äà è âîîáùå -- ìàëî ëè êòî. À Åãîðîâ -- ó÷åíûé íà âñå 100. Íàóêå âñå íóæíû: è ó÷åíûå, è êàòàëèçàòîðû. Íî: êàê ìîæíî ñðàâíèâàòü "âåëèêîãî êàòàëèçàòîðà" ñ "î÷åíü õîðîøèì ó÷åíûì"??!!
Êòî íå çíàåò: ÁÔ Åãîðîâ -- èçäàòåëü âñåé ïîýçèè Õîìÿêîâà, âñåãî (÷òî íàó÷íî èçäàíî) Àïîëëîíà Ãðèãîðüåâà, âàæíåéøåé ïåðåïèñêè Õîìÿêîâà ñ Îäîåâñêèì, ñàìîãî Îäîåâñêîãî, êó÷è êíèã è ñòàòåé ïðî âñå ýòî. ÞÌ Ëîòìàí -- èçäàòåëü î÷åíü íåìíîãîãî èç ðóññêîãî 18 â., øêîëüíîãî êîììåíòàðèÿ ê "Åâãåíèþ Îíåãèíó" (íî èíòåðåñíîãî, íåñìîòðÿ íà íå îñîáåííóþ, ì.á., èíòåðåñíîñòü "ÅÎ") è -- îñíîâàòåëü "Òàðòóññêî-Ìîñêîâñêîé øêîëû ñòðóêòóðàëèçìà" (â ïàðàëëåëü òàêîâîé æå "Ïàðèæñêîé").
Êòî íå çíàåò: ÁÔ Åãîðîâ -- èçäàòåëü âñåé ïîýçèè Õîìÿêîâà, âñåãî (÷òî íàó÷íî èçäàíî) Àïîëëîíà Ãðèãîðüåâà, âàæíåéøåé ïåðåïèñêè Õîìÿêîâà ñ Îäîåâñêèì, ñàìîãî Îäîåâñêîãî, êó÷è êíèã è ñòàòåé ïðî âñå ýòî. ÞÌ Ëîòìàí -- èçäàòåëü î÷åíü íåìíîãîãî èç ðóññêîãî 18 â., øêîëüíîãî êîììåíòàðèÿ ê "Åâãåíèþ Îíåãèíó" (íî èíòåðåñíîãî, íåñìîòðÿ íà íå îñîáåííóþ, ì.á., èíòåðåñíîñòü "ÅÎ") è -- îñíîâàòåëü "Òàðòóññêî-Ìîñêîâñêîé øêîëû ñòðóêòóðàëèçìà" (â ïàðàëëåëü òàêîâîé æå "Ïàðèæñêîé").
Some comments on your article
Date: 2002-01-28 04:49 pm (UTC)I am B.F. Egorov's daughter, and the link to your article was forwarded to my husband, who shared it with me. I apologize for writing in English - my keyboard is not russifyed, and it would take me forever to type in Russian.
It's very flattering to know that you have such a high opinion of my Dad's writings and research. I love him dearly, and am very proud of all his books and articles. I don't think he was such a good lecturer as Yuri Mikhailovich Lotman, and I am definitely no scholarly type to make any kind of deep analysis regarding his scientific works.
My thoughts are based on life long experience, on many scholars that visited our house in Tartu and St. Petersburg, on my numerous visits to Lotman's house in Tartu, and my visits as a student (in Tartu University and LGPI) to both my Dad's and Lotman's lectures.
Yu.M. was an extremely humble individual, and would always speak about himself as if he were nothing special. This was his manner of speaking. However, all the scholars that visited our house, both from Russia and abroad, were always speaking about Lotman as a genius. I think they were right. I don't know if you met Yu.M. personally, but you would, you would know that he was an absolutely special man. He was just extremely modest, and probably some people were taking it too seriously and thought - oh, he can't be a real scholar if he speaks about himself in such a way. Well, he was.
Something about the tone of your article is bothering me - it's too light, too diminishing. There is something disrespectful about the way you speak about Yu.M. I forwarded this link to my Dad - maybe he would respond to you in a more coherent way, with facts and figures.
My response is of an emotional kind, based more on my feelings and intuition, but during my life, I learned, you can trust that too.
Respectfully,
Tatiana Miller
Wausau, Wisconsin
millert@ntc.edu
Óõ òû!
Date: 2002-01-29 01:37 pm (UTC)Íèêîãäà íå äóìàë, ÷òî ìîÿ äîñóæàÿ áîëòîâíÿ äàñò òàêèå êðóãè ïî âñåìèðíîé ïàóòèíå! Ïîæàëóéñòà, ïåðåäàéòå Áîðèñó Ôåäîðîâè÷ó îò ìåíÿ íåèçìåííûé ïîêëîí. Åãî ïóáëèêàöèè êàê-òî âñåãäà äåéñòâóþò íà ìåíÿ âäîõíîâëÿþùå, è ýòî óæå äåñÿòêà äâà ëåò, ò.å. ïî÷òè ñ ïåëåíîê:-)
êíèæêó î Ëîòìàíå ÿ òîæå óæå ÷èòàë.
×òî êàñàåòñÿ Þ.Ì., òî Âû ïðàâèëüíî ïî÷óâñòâîâàëè, ÷òî íàèáîëåå ñïåöèôè÷åñêè-ëîòìàíîâñêîå ìíå íå íðàâèòñÿ; ìíå î÷åíü æàëü, ÷òî îí îòâëåêñÿ îò "êîíêðåòíîé íàóêè". Âîâñå íå ñîáèðàþñü ñïîðèòü ïðîòèâ åãî ãåíèàëüíîñòè, íî "ñòðóêòóðàëèçì" ìíå êàæåòñÿ íå ñòîëüêî íàóêîé, ñêîëüêî ìèðîâîççðåíèåì -- à ýòî ïëîõî (ñ ìîåé ò.çð.). ýòî íèñêîëüêî íå ìåøàåò èñïîëüçîâàòü äëÿ íàóêè è ýòîò ñàìûé ñòðóêòóðàëèçì, â ò÷. ëîòìàíîâñêèé, è ýòî âîâñþ ïðîèñõîäèò. íî... (ñì. ïîäðîáíåå ìîþ äèñêóññèþ â Ðîìàíîì Ëåéáîâûì -- â êîììåíòàõ).
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Date: 2012-03-07 10:03 pm (UTC)Vot uzhe 10 let proshlo. Ishcha chto-to v internete, natolnulas' na Vash Live Journal. Bozhe moi! Spasibo za Vash otvet. I teper' v Milwaukee, Wisconsin, i papa k nam priekhal iz Rossii. On zhivet u nas polgoda, a polgoda v Rossii. Mne budet priiatno ot Vas uslyshat'.
Have a Blessed Lent!
Tatiana
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Date: 2012-03-19 08:28 pm (UTC)дай Бог здоровья Борису Федоровичу!
Бог даст, увидимся.