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если кто-то еще не видел.
наши с А.Л. Рюминым:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/everstti_rymin/24648.html
http://www.livejournal.com/users/everstti_rymin/26238.html#cutid1
а здесь смешная заметка на полях того разговора:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/everstti_rymin/25651.html?thread=79155#t79155

Date: 2004-08-07 09:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vera-z.livejournal.com
блестящий стилист этот г-н Рюмин.

титул "боголюбие" в табели не встречала.

статью Cyriacus of Jerusalem в Encyclopaedia Aethiopica
пришли, пожалуйста.

Date: 2004-08-07 09:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dodododo.livejournal.com
мне тоже нравится)
просто россыпь изюминок, вроде "микрофона, поднесенного к луже" и пр.

Date: 2004-08-07 09:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vera-z.livejournal.com
впервые встречаю такую адекватную (высокую) оценку поминаемого им автора.

Date: 2004-08-07 09:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dodododo.livejournal.com
оценки других поминаемых им авторов тоже были адекватными(низкими).

Date: 2004-08-07 09:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vera-z.livejournal.com
да. следовательно, сам он - адекватный.
только сайт его странноватый. не поняла.

Date: 2004-08-07 09:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vera-z.livejournal.com
да. следовательно, сам он - адекватный.
только сайт его странноватый. не поняла.
From: [identity profile] hgr.livejournal.com
Cyriacus of Jerusalem

Cyriacus, saint (edär 3), a bishop of Jerusalem allegedly martyred under Julian the Apostate in 362. According to van Esbroeck (1990, with previous lit.), although against some other scholars, the figure of Cyriacus is not purely fictive but has some roots in Jewish-Christian milieu of Jerusalem before 135 AD (s. Drijvers — Drijvers 1997, 12-29, for a review of existing viewpoints). His legendary Martyrdom is known throughout the Christian world (Bibliotheca Hagiographica Graeca 465; for Oriental versions s. Guidi 1904-6, especially for Eth. which ultimately goes back to Syr.: Guidi 1906; for Syr. Pigoulewsky 1927-8).
Beside, his hagiographical “dossier” contains two important pieces. The most known is a specific version of the legend of the Finding of the True Cross (Drijvers — Drijvers 1997, s.  Cross, Finding of), where a Jew, named Judas, is helping St. Helene to find the Cross; after this, he converts and is baptised with the name Cyriacus and then becomes the bishop of Jerusalem.
Another and often neglected text is “A Tract Which Describeth How The History of Saint Mary Was Discovered”. This is a kind of preface to the Transitus [of the Virgin] in six books (whose date is 5th-6th cent.; however, the date of the preface may be later) existing in Syr., Arab., and Eth. (s.  Falsta) which can help to understand the relationship between C. of Jerusalem and  C. of Bahnesa as an authoritative witness of traditions on the Virgin (incl. Transitus) in the Coptic and Ethiopic hagiography. The “Tract” says that the book of Transitus was obtained through C., bishop of Jerusalem, by the ruling persons of the monastery of Batos on Sinai, and these people presided over 320 monasteries on Sinai. Leaving aside the exageration, an historical substrate of the story is recognisable:  Melkite monasticism on Sinai and especially in the monastery of Batos was flourishing in the post-Chalcedonian epoch, while especially in the 7th and 8th centuries, and its links with Patriarchate of Jerusalem (Melkite as well) are well known. Therefore, the “Tract” is probably a Melkite composition in which C. of Jerusalem became a (Melkite) witness of the origin of the Transitus story; instead of this, Coptic anti-Chalcedonians used to refer to C. of Bahnesa.
Sourc.: IGNAZIO GUIDI, “Textes orientaux inédits du martyre de Judas Cyriaque, évêque de Jérusalem”, ROC 9 (1904) 79-95, 310-332; 11 (1906) 337-351; NINA PIGOULEWSKY, “Le martyre de Saint Cyriaque de Jérusalem”, Ibid. 26 (1927-1928) 305-356; HAN J.W. DRIJVERS, JAN WILLEM DRIJVERS (ed., tr., comm.), The Finding of the True Cross. The Judas Kyriakos Legend in Syriac. Introduction, text and translation, Lovanii 1997 (CSCO 565 / Subsidia 93); MICHEL VAN ESBROECK, “Une note de Sévère d’Antioche sur Juda Cyriaque”, in: RENÉ LAVENANT (ed.), V Symposium Syriacum, 1988, Rome 1990 (OrChrA 236), 183-193.
Lit.: FRANÇOIS HALKIN, Bibliotheca hagiographica graeca, 3 vols. Bruxelles 1957 (Subsidia hagiographica 8a).
Basil Lourié

Date: 2004-08-07 10:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] logothet.livejournal.com
Да, к священникам обычно: "Ваше преподобие", а "боголюбие", как правило, к мирянам. Вспомните, именно так Серафим Саровский называет Мотовилова.

Date: 2004-08-07 10:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atas.livejournal.com
Там часто и обращение "о.Григорий", так что не думаю, чтобы тут был намек какой-то.

Date: 2004-08-07 10:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] logothet.livejournal.com
Да я это не в качестве наезда.

Date: 2004-08-07 12:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vera-z.livejournal.com
Спасибо, вспомнила про Серафима Саровского.
Читая, я подумала, что это титулярное обращение к монахам, только мне не известное.

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