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(дальше пойдет всякая церковно-политическая чушь с Paradosis list -- межюрисдикционной англоязычной православной конференции)
> Dear List.
>
> While surfing the Internet, I visited our "colleague" Lurie
> (hieromonk
> Gregory - ROAC) on his page in LiveJournal. Through a link
> he offers I
> found myself on the page Kreml.org, which Mr. Lurie recommended
> as a very
> interesting one. Indeed, there happened to be a discussion on
> that page
> (where one cannot find himself just like that) about the
> post-war world
> (i.e the situation in the world after the Iraq war). And
> concretely in the
> statement by Mr. Gleb Pavlovsky I had an opportunity to read the
> following:
> (http://www.kreml.org/state/18577713?user_session=7f30b9a78535f4ae
> df2f3431a38e33b4)
>
> "One should understand that Russia at any rate has no
> malevolent feelings
> towards the temporary isolation, in which the powers which
> initiated the
> war have found themselves, and Russia not once expressed to
> America its
> opinion on how mistaken is that step from the point of view of
> long-term
> interests of collaboration of Russia and America on the
> establishment of
> the new world order. We understand how complicated is a
> simultaneous
> interaction, simultaneous improvement of relations between
> America and
> Europe; we start to understand how complicated the European
> game actually
> is, the game for which we, frankly speaking, are little
> prepared, as well
> as for the American hysterics".
>
> Comrade Pavlovsky says: "Russia at any rate has no
> malevolent feelings
> towards the temporary isolation, in which the powers which
> initiated the
> war have found themselves." What he has in mind here is the
> international
> protest against the American agression on Iraq, which extremely
> diminished
> the prestige of America. So - comrade Pavlovsky says - we are
> not happy
> about that. Russia was saying to Americans that is how it would
> end. And it
> is very harmful from the point of view of the establishment
> of the New
> World Order, on which Russia and America are working hand in
> hand, he says.
>
> This is what a man belonging to the Russian intellectual
> governmental staff
> is saying. As something that is naturally implied, there has been
> mentioned
> the fact that Russia and America - jointly establish the NWO.
> And let us
> notice that Lurie, while recommending the mentioned statement of
> Pavlovsky
> as a very interesting one, knows that perfectly well, since he
> himself is
> directly connected to Pavlovsky, as well as the whole
> ROAC - an
> organization which falsifies the True Church in order to destroy
> the Truth
> and the souls of people and the whole Russia as an orthodox
> country. This
> organization works for the NOW on the field of the "True
> Orthodoxy". ROAC
> is an excellent concept of the Russian special services and
> the Russian
> antichristian government. And all those people - Lurie,
> Valentine, Gregory
> of Denver and the rest - are enemies of Orthodoxy, sly and smart.
>
> So beware, dear members of the Paradosis list. Don't get caught
> into traps
> of the gentlemen from ROAC.
>
> Sincerely,
> priest Andrej Sidnev
автор живет в России и является священником Матфеевского синода. Синод этот вполне православный, но в России к нему присоединились не самые вменяемые люди. разумеется, они не будут иметь никакого веса -- кроме веса разменной монеты -- в церковной Realpolitik своего же синода.
(дальше пойдет всякая церковно-политическая чушь с Paradosis list -- межюрисдикционной англоязычной православной конференции)
> Dear List.
>
> While surfing the Internet, I visited our "colleague" Lurie
> (hieromonk
> Gregory - ROAC) on his page in LiveJournal. Through a link
> he offers I
> found myself on the page Kreml.org, which Mr. Lurie recommended
> as a very
> interesting one. Indeed, there happened to be a discussion on
> that page
> (where one cannot find himself just like that) about the
> post-war world
> (i.e the situation in the world after the Iraq war). And
> concretely in the
> statement by Mr. Gleb Pavlovsky I had an opportunity to read the
> following:
> (http://www.kreml.org/state/18577713?user_session=7f30b9a78535f4ae
> df2f3431a38e33b4)
>
> "One should understand that Russia at any rate has no
> malevolent feelings
> towards the temporary isolation, in which the powers which
> initiated the
> war have found themselves, and Russia not once expressed to
> America its
> opinion on how mistaken is that step from the point of view of
> long-term
> interests of collaboration of Russia and America on the
> establishment of
> the new world order. We understand how complicated is a
> simultaneous
> interaction, simultaneous improvement of relations between
> America and
> Europe; we start to understand how complicated the European
> game actually
> is, the game for which we, frankly speaking, are little
> prepared, as well
> as for the American hysterics".
>
> Comrade Pavlovsky says: "Russia at any rate has no
> malevolent feelings
> towards the temporary isolation, in which the powers which
> initiated the
> war have found themselves." What he has in mind here is the
> international
> protest against the American agression on Iraq, which extremely
> diminished
> the prestige of America. So - comrade Pavlovsky says - we are
> not happy
> about that. Russia was saying to Americans that is how it would
> end. And it
> is very harmful from the point of view of the establishment
> of the New
> World Order, on which Russia and America are working hand in
> hand, he says.
>
> This is what a man belonging to the Russian intellectual
> governmental staff
> is saying. As something that is naturally implied, there has been
> mentioned
> the fact that Russia and America - jointly establish the NWO.
> And let us
> notice that Lurie, while recommending the mentioned statement of
> Pavlovsky
> as a very interesting one, knows that perfectly well, since he
> himself is
> directly connected to Pavlovsky, as well as the whole
> ROAC - an
> organization which falsifies the True Church in order to destroy
> the Truth
> and the souls of people and the whole Russia as an orthodox
> country. This
> organization works for the NOW on the field of the "True
> Orthodoxy". ROAC
> is an excellent concept of the Russian special services and
> the Russian
> antichristian government. And all those people - Lurie,
> Valentine, Gregory
> of Denver and the rest - are enemies of Orthodoxy, sly and smart.
>
> So beware, dear members of the Paradosis list. Don't get caught
> into traps
> of the gentlemen from ROAC.
>
> Sincerely,
> priest Andrej Sidnev
автор живет в России и является священником Матфеевского синода. Синод этот вполне православный, но в России к нему присоединились не самые вменяемые люди. разумеется, они не будут иметь никакого веса -- кроме веса разменной монеты -- в церковной Realpolitik своего же синода.
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"не самые вменяемые" - это ещё мягко сказано
Date: 2003-03-31 04:17 am (UTC)Если ваши прихожане терпят у себя таких священникой, которые позволяют себе на весь мир вещать не только "...ROAC - an organization which falsifies the True Church in order to destroy the Truth and the souls of people and the whole Russia as an orthodox country. This organization works for the NOW on the field of the "True Orthodoxy". ROAC is an excellent concept of the Russian special services and the Russian antichristian government. And all those people - Lurie, Valentine, Gregory of Denver and the rest - are enemies of Orthodoxy, sly and smart", но и выдают перлы типа "the Synod of the paedophile Valentine" - то это говорит не только об оных "отцах", но и об из прихожанах...
Такого радостного-гадливого потирания рук при распространении примитивных и очевидных сплетен я лично давно уже не встречал - тем более в среде людей церковных.
Примите мои соболезнования - и храни Вас Господь.
Михаил К.
Re: "не самые вменяемые" - это ещё мягко сказано
Date: 2003-03-31 04:34 am (UTC)Кстати, - насчёт ОЧЕВИДНОСТИ сплетен Вы заведомо не правы. Но я не буду здесь обсуждать эту тему.
Re: "не самые вменяемые" - это ещё мягко сказано
Date: 2003-03-31 12:37 pm (UTC)Ибо позвольте Вам заметить, что именно порочащая, но не доказуемая ("неочевидная") информация именуется сплетнями. В этом смысле сплетнеческий характер цитированных высказываний именно что ОЧЕВИДЕН. (Мы ведь здесь говорим не о клевете, сознательной лжи, в которой я вашего священника и не упрекнул, ибо она здесь действительно "не очевидна")
А как должно относиться к тем, кто занимается распространением сплетен - см. Св. Писание... которое, видимо, вам (и Вам в частности) не указ.
Коли Вас ничего в данной ситуации не смущает, то, действительно, в моих соболезнованиях Вы не нуждаетесь. Простите, действительно не по адресу. О чем искренне сожалею.
Re: "не самые вменяемые" - это ещё мягко сказано
Date: 2003-03-31 10:57 pm (UTC)Нет, не согласен. Но я несу моральную ответственность только за то, что я сам сказал. Что Вас здесь смущает?
--Ибо позвольте Вам заметить, что именно порочащая, но не доказуемая ("неочевидная") информация именуется сплетнями. В этом смысле сплетнеческий характер цитированных высказываний именно что ОЧЕВИДЕН.
Обвинение в педофилии вынесено гражданским судом. Вы, конечно, можете утверждать, что суд был необъективным. Но это будет уже просто Ваша точка зрения, которую можно и нужно поверять другими личными точками зрения. Я же опираюсь в первую очередь на свои личные контакты. Но на них публично я не ссылаюсь. А факт обвинения гражданским судом в педофилии является общеизвестным и сплетней быть не может.
Д. Капустин